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Delays Reported on Interstate 10 and Interstate 15 as Holiday Drivers Return

Motorists were moving about 5 miles per hour from Date Palm Drive in Cathedral City all the way to Beaumont, a CHP dispatcher in Indio said.

Returning holiday motorists were caught in slow-downs Sunday on Interstate 10 east of Redlands from Cathedral City to Beaumont, according to the California Highway Patrol.

As of 3:15 p.m., Interstate 15 in the Cajon Pass was moving steadily, a CHP dispatcher in San Bernardino said in a phone interview.

Further east on Interstate 10, motorists were moving about 5 miles per hour from Date Palm Drive in Cathedral City through the San Gorgonio Pass to Beaumont, a CHP dispatcher in Indio said.

The Sunday after Thanksgiving is known as one of the worst driving days of the year in Southern California.

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Karla Payne November 26, 2012 at 09:25 PM
Just take a look at all those 18-wheelers in the 3rd lane. It's illegal for them to be there except for passing. (That's a pet peeve of mine, especially on the 10 because there are so many trucks that play leapfrog.) With all that traffic, they sure weren't "passing." They made a terrible situation dangerous to motorists.
ATC November 26, 2012 at 10:55 PM
Wrong. Since the roadway is 4 lanes, it is perfectly legal for them to be in either the 3rd or 4th lane, continuously. 3 lanes or less; right hand lane only for continuous travel and next lane for passing only. 4 lanes or more; right 2 lanes for continuous travel, passing or not. Same thing for cars/trucks/RVs pulling trailers. The 18 wheelers in the right 2 lanes were not the problem, it was simply the normal Thanksgiving crush of traffic returning from their weekend trips. I came through (returning from Glamis) in my RV & trailer at about 11:00am; it was already slowing, moving at about 25mph up Whitewater grade and into Cabazon. I knew better than to wait and come through later, as it is bumper-to-bumper EVERY Thanksgiving weekend Sunday afternoon through the Pass.
Dex November 27, 2012 at 12:13 AM
Sorry Gary, but Karla is right....and I have been reminded of this on more than one occasion by the CHP. Where there are multiple lanes where trucks are allowed, they are supposed to stay in the furthest lane to the right, only moving to the adjacent lane to the left to pass slower trucks or other vehicles. Now we all know that this is not how it actually works in the real world, as trucks are frequently in the number 3 lane on a 4 lane highway. Its just that the CHP does not enforce this rule very vigorously, but they are well within the law to ticket trucks in the number 3 lane. I myself have received a ticket for this very violation, while towing a trailer in the number 3 lane. I complained that the truckers do it constantly, but the officer had a chip on his shoulder and felt like making an example out of me, instead of the "professional truckers" who should know better, and who violate this law constantly. He went on to quote the particular Vehicle Code number, and I am now very careful about venturing out into that lane when towing a trailer.
ATC November 27, 2012 at 04:08 AM
No, Karla is wrong, and so are you. I have pulled a trailer for over 25 years now, and I know this for a fact. Here are the relevant sections: Sections 21655(b) and 22348(c) of the California vehicle code BOTH require "trailers to travel in the traffic lane or lanes designated for trailers -- and if there are no such designations, then in the travel lane farthest to the right" (in other words, the slow lane). BOTH OF THOSE SECTIONS THEN GO ON TO STATE that "on highways with at least four lanes in one direction, it's OK to drive with a trailer in the lane immediately to the left of the slow or right-most lane. In other words, trailers are permitted in the TWO slowest or right-most lanes on these freeways." IF you received a ticket, then either the roadway had only 3 lanes, or the officer was wrong and you should have fought the ticket.
Dex November 27, 2012 at 03:16 PM
Sorry, I guess your 25 years of experience trumps the law. But the freeway had 4 lanes, I did fight the ticket (in court and speaking with the judge), and was fined over $200.....twice. Yes, thats a ticket that I fought on 2 separate occasions. I'm glad you found some vehicle code to support your argument, but I am going to place my faith in the judge, as he has the final say in this matter anyway.
ATC November 27, 2012 at 07:37 PM
Don't patronize me, Dex, my 25+ years experience doesn't "trump" the law, it AGREES with the law. I didn't "find" some vehicle code to support my argument. California Vehicle Code IS THE LAW. Trailers have been allowed in the right 2 lanes "on a 4+ lane highway" for at least 35 years in California. And every CHP officer knows it. As does every California judge. Period. I don't believe that you were ticketed for driving with a trailer in the second lane from the right on a 4 lane freeway in California; either it was not 4 lanes, or there was an actual truck/trailer lane designated, or it occured in another state. OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TICKETED. Unless you can provide actual evidence to the contrary (as in the actual law that you were supposedly ticketed for), your claim is bogus. Get over it. Of course you do realize that lanes are numbered from the left, starting with the fast lane as lane #1, right? Just wanting to make sure we're on the same page here, that's all.
Charles Ferrell November 27, 2012 at 08:37 PM
There was a time when big rig drivers were the most respected on the roads, highways and freeways across the land. I am sure the vast majority of big rig drivers still qualify as such, but there are a few who, even as Gary suggests are operating "within the law," display pretty bad manners when on freeways in particular. Big rigs belong in the far right (slow) lanes on any freeway, and ought to only venture into the next lane to the right when passing slower vehicles. Sadly, that isn't always the case. Yes, we all should know that when designating lanes, the lane closest to the middle line is No. 1. That is because on a two lane road, there is a No. 1 lane going in one direction and a No. 1 lane going in the other direction. The formal number of each lane goes up from left to right. So for this discussion, let's keep it simple and say that big rigs ought to only drive in the far right lane and only move over one lane to the left when passing. Even if it is "within the law" for them to travel in two or even three lanes to the left of the far right lane, it is bad manners and bad driving on their part to do so. On some stretches of highways, such as the 60 Freeway through the Badlands west of Beaumont, towards Riverside, it is now against the law for big rigs to venture at all out of the far right lane, even to pass a slower vehicle, truck or otherwise. I applaud big rig drivers for the service they bring in bringing goods to stores nationwide. I chide those with bad manners.
ATC November 27, 2012 at 10:37 PM
I agree that there are some truckers that display bad road manners, just as there are plenty of car drivers who do the same (in fact, as a percentage, I'd have to bet that car drivers have worse numbers). But I disagree with the idea that trucks should always drive in the right lane unless they are passing slower traffic on 4+ lane highways. When I head for the desert with my RV & trailer, if I am running slightly faster than those in the slow lane, I will stay in the second lane from the right (on a 4+ lane highway). Otherwise I am constantly changing lanes to pass and then moving back to the right, then changing lanes to pass and then moving back to the right...If anything, that is more of a hazard than just staying in that LEGALLY OCCUPIED lane. Following the law, and minimizing lane changes at the same time is NOT bad manners or bad driving, regardless of what some might think.
Dex November 27, 2012 at 11:25 PM
Gary, it must be awesome to be you, and to be right all the time. I suppose that in your spare time you walk on water also. For the record, last time I was ticketed for this I was traveling southbound on the 15 fwy in victorville. There are 4 lanes there. We were pulling a jetski trailer in the number 3 lane, with a big rig in front of me, and a big rig behind me. We were pulled over by the CHP for towing in the wrong lane. The officer said she followed us for about a mile to see if we would return to the number 4 lane. When we did not, she proceded to pull us over and cite us. I asked her about the other trucks towing in the same lane, and she said that is not your concern as I pulled you over, not them. I fought this in court, argued with the judge, only to be fined over $200. You can claim it is legal all you want, but the judge said it was not. Since his opinion trumps yours any day of the week, I am just going to have to agree to disagree, and tow in the slowest lane to err on the side of caution.
Washy November 27, 2012 at 11:26 PM
Then you have been dealing with chp that are wrong.
Washy November 27, 2012 at 11:28 PM
The 15 through Victorville is 3 lanes
Charles Ferrell November 27, 2012 at 11:31 PM
If somebody, in any vehicle, is traveling faster than traffic in the far right lane, then it is OK to be in the second from the right lane. As long as they aren't slowing up other traffic in that second lane. If so, it is at the very least bad behavior and bad manners to stay there and they should pull over to the right hand lane when traffic is coming up from behind them. Rude and ill-mannered isn't necessary illegal, but such behavior can result in causing stress in other drivers, who have to slow down or change lanes themselves to get around the rude and ill-mannered drivers.
ATC November 27, 2012 at 11:42 PM
That applies to any vehicle, anywhere; if you are holding up traffic, then it is common coiurtesy to move over to the right. If you are not holding up others, then staying in a "legal" lane is not and cannot be considered bad behavior or bad manners.
Jack Smith November 27, 2012 at 11:46 PM
Maximum speed in California while towing a trailer is 55MPH.
ATC November 27, 2012 at 11:53 PM
Bingo. I just looked at Google maps, and Washy is right, although to be fair, there is a short southbound stretch that has 4 lanes (basically a long "merge lane" from an on-ramp). My guess is that the officer waited to see if you would return to the slow lane when the 4 lanes reduced back to the normal 3. When you didn't, she ticketed you. As I said, EVERY CHP OFFICER knows that it is legal to run the 3rd lane with a trailer IF THERE ARE 4 LANES. As does every CA judge. It's not my "claim", it's the law. You can argue that all you want, but you are wrong, just as you are wrong about the number of lanes on the SB 15 in Victorville. And for the record, Dex; yes, it IS awesome to be me!
Dex November 27, 2012 at 11:55 PM
Highway 15 does open up into 4 lanes as you get closer to the summit, and continues that way until the devore split. We never ventured further than the right two lanes, as evidenced by the big rigs we were driving between. And if you have been following the story, you would see that this has happened twice, on two different occasions in two different locations. So, you are saying that I just happened to get 2 officers who did not know the law, followed by 2 judges who did not know the law. Then according to you, it is they that are wrong. Wow, what are the odds? I think I'll just stick to the slow lane thank you....
ATC November 27, 2012 at 11:55 PM
Umm, I thought this was a discussion about which lanes trucks and/or trailers are legally allowed in, but thanks for that irrelevant info. :)
Washy November 28, 2012 at 12:53 AM
hahaha...Gary Funny!
Dex November 28, 2012 at 02:26 AM
Boy, talk about nit-picking. Sorry if I incorrectly cited the area as victorville, when it is probably hesperia....I was just recalling what the officer said. But the fact remains that we were ticketed twice for towing in the #3 lane on a 4 lane highway, and I am just sharing the facts with what happened to me. Trust me, I would be all too happy if you guys were the cops at the time and I had my $400+ dollars back....
ATC November 28, 2012 at 02:36 AM
Cajon Pass is not Victorville, try sticking to one story. Since the actual law is crystal clear, and hasn't changed for at least 35 years, then yes, I guess you did just happen to get 2 officers and 2 judges who all were incompetent. Either that or you are mistaken as to what you did, where you did it, or what you were actually cited for. Perhaps you were cited for speeding (see Jack's post above)? Otherwise, according to the LAW, they (officers & judges) were all wrong. To use your own words; wow, what are the odds? Sorry, my money is on the 2 CHP officers and the 2 judges, as opposed to your story, which seems to change as needed.
ATC November 28, 2012 at 02:55 AM
Nobody is nit-picking. The first person to post on this article claimed that the trucks in that 3rd lane were breaking the law. They aren't, and I said so. You're the one who decided to challenge me on it, so I have provided the documentation to back it up. Yet you continue to claim that I'm wrong. And you continue to claim that you were ticketed for something that is legal. Twice! And that 2 different judges agreed. I don't believe it, sorry. What are the odds? There is more (or less) to your story/claim than you are letting on. You do what you want, I will continue to use both lanes "legally" as I have for 25+ years, and as I have watched my dad do for 10-15 years prior to that. And since I have never, in my 50 years, gotten a ticket for "following" the law, I'm pretty confident that I will be OK doing just that.
beaumontdave November 28, 2012 at 04:12 AM
Called my bro. who is CHP, and he confirms Gary's version. I was pulled over trailering in the 3rd lane and warned it was only for passing, but that was part of I10 with only 3 lanes; with 4 lanes the two slow lanes are both safe for trailering.

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